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Post by bucfan on May 29, 2018 20:27:22 GMT -6
From what it sounds like we pay, I can't imagine a current D1 head coach at a larger school would have an interest in coming to ACU even with Abilene connections and being a committed Christian.
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Post by acutrackfan on May 30, 2018 4:04:00 GMT -6
I looked it up on the San Antonio newspaper website — Marshall was paid $75,000 2 years ago. That is not an insurmountable salary figure.
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Post by Cat_A_holic on May 30, 2018 5:10:47 GMT -6
I looked it up on the San Antonio newspaper website — Marshall was paid $75,000 2 years ago. That is not an insurmountable salary figure. You are correct. That is in the ballpark, though still a stretch from what Bonneau made. It would be possible if they could find some extra.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on May 30, 2018 5:25:08 GMT -6
I looked it up on the San Antonio newspaper website — Marshall was paid $75,000 2 years ago. That is not an insurmountable salary figure. You are correct. That is in the ballpark, though still a stretch from what Bonneau made. It would be possible if they could find some extra. An established head coach is probably going to be interested in more than his own salary. The salary pool for assistants and whether we can offer the full number of scholarships allowed by the NCAA are also vitally important. If our assistants are paid as poorly as mentioned earlier in this thread and we don’t offer the max number of scholarships, I would think getting a current HC to come here would be a tough sell.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 5:36:21 GMT -6
You are correct. That is in the ballpark, though still a stretch from what Bonneau made. It would be possible if they could find some extra. An established head coach is probably going to be interested in more than his own salary. The salary pool for assistants and whether we can offer the full number of scholarships allowed by the NCAA are also vitally important. If our assistants are paid as poorly as mentioned earlier in this thread and we don’t offer the max number of scholarships, I would think getting a current HC to come here would be a tough sell. Exactly. Which is why a former player with a passion for ACU and re-building the program might make sense.
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Post by Cat_A_holic on May 30, 2018 7:31:54 GMT -6
An established head coach is probably going to be interested in more than his own salary. The salary pool for assistants and whether we can offer the full number of scholarships allowed by the NCAA are also vitally important. If our assistants are paid as poorly as mentioned earlier in this thread and we don’t offer the max number of scholarships, I would think getting a current HC to come here would be a tough sell. Exactly. Which is why a former player with a passion for ACU and re-building the program might make sense. I'm no AD, but I have done a good bit of searching and hiring. It seems to me, with my limited perspective, that the only way to go that could have a potential for success (could go cheap and hire a desperate or below average coach from a below average program. Would surely yield below average results) is to find someone who is invested in our program and Christian higher ed (e.g., a former player) who has limited experience (thus letting us get them relatively inexpensively) but with high upside potential. It's either that or get a retired and experienced HC who is committed to ACU or Christian higher ed and who would want to "top off" their coaching with a 2-3 year stint to get the program moving in a strong direction. My guess is the first scenario is more realistic.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on May 30, 2018 7:44:39 GMT -6
Exactly. Which is why a former player with a passion for ACU and re-building the program might make sense. I'm no AD, but I have done a good bit of searching and hiring. It seems to me, with my limited perspective, that the only way to go that could have a potential for success (could go cheap and hire a desperate or below average coach from a below average program. Would surely yield below average results) is to find someone who is invested in our program and Christian higher ed (e.g., a former player) who has limited experience (thus letting us get them relatively inexpensively) but with high upside potential. QIt's either that or get a retired and experienced HC who is committed to ACU or Christian higher ed and who would want to "top off" their coaching with a 2-3 year stint to get the program moving in a strong direction.
My guess is the first scenario is more realistic. He has previous no coaching experience but Nolan Ryan has a demonstrated commitment to ACU baseball. :
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Post by acutrackfan on May 30, 2018 7:54:35 GMT -6
Cat_A_Holic, you make some really good points. But, I do think some of your options can be expanded a bit. To use an example, Jason Marshall is an Abilene native with lots of family still residing in Abilene. You would not have to sell Jason Marshall on living in Abilene (there was a very good head coaching prospect in another a few years back who was offered the head coaching job at a reduced salary than he was making at a large, prestigious FBS who tentatively accepted the job and whose wife said that she would never move to Abilene to live and that he would have move to Abilene by himself). He has had a modicum of success coaching at UTSA. There are some schools in Texas that are largely commuter schools, like UTA and UTSA, that have little campus life -- some people might get tired of doing their job in a vacuum. Last, I think that there are coaches who look at a Christ-centered school like ACU and that is attractive to them. Everyone on this board who is working for or has worked for ACU took a cut in pay to come to ACU. There are and will continue to be teachers, staff members AND coaches who are willing to take a pay cut to come to ACU. Granted, a pay cut like Chris Thomsen would have to take from around $440k to $150k is not reasonable.
On the Red Raider Sports, the people who responded to the story uniformly lauded ACU for trying to lure J-Bob Thomas to ACU.
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Post by Cat_A_holic on May 30, 2018 8:04:10 GMT -6
some people might get tired of doing their job in a vacuum. Last, I think that there are coaches who look at a Christ-centered school like ACU and that is attractive to them. Everyone on this board who is working for or has worked for ACU took a cut in pay to come to ACU. There are and will continue to be teachers, staff members AND coaches who are willing to take a pay cut to come to ACU. Granted, a pay cut like Chris Thomsen would have to take from around $440k to $150k is not reasonable. On the Red Raider Sports, the people who responded to the story uniformly lauded ACU for trying to lure J-Bob Thomas to ACU. Good points, all. You are right, that type of person surely is out there. Let's pray the search team finds them. It is more likely to happen in baseball than, say football. I think many of us bantered around names like Kenny Davidson and Bob Shipley when that position opened. I'm just not aware of a baseball coach equivalent. What about the baseball HC at Greater Atlanta Christian Schools? Or, other lower-division Christian colleges like Azusa Pacific, Westmont, Wheaton, Calvin, Cornerstone, or LCU? Anyone know of up-and-comers who work in those places?
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Post by acutrackfan on May 30, 2018 10:37:49 GMT -6
I have been hearing that the baseball coach search is progressing rapidly (which would seem obvious if J-Bob Thomas has already had the opportunity to turn the job down). I think we might hear something as soon as next week.
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Post by bogeyman on May 30, 2018 11:54:36 GMT -6
When Collums was fired and Dorrel was hired, the school had to do an evaluation of what it was doing with football and because of that football salaries were raised and lots more money "poured" into the program (i.e. recruiting budget raised, airline rides to away games, etc.). What's to say the same thing can't happen to baseball? If, in reality, Bonneau has full-time to raise funds, wouldn't baseball be the recipient of most of those funds. It takes money to play D1 athletics. We have had a D2 mentality for so long, I think we lost sight of the big picture (or our big picture was just too small). Slowly some of our sports programs are coming into D1 reality. It's not just the hiring of a coach that costs us. To be competitive we have to give the coach resources to do his job. Golding finally got recruiting funds and look where this batch of players is from: New Zealand, Missouri (2) and Kansas and Arkansas and Florida. They even got some airplane rides to far flung games. Lee was saddled with $50 million to pay for a football stadium (funds still needed) and I bet that took way too much of his concentration and energy away from individual sports. IMHO
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Post by SportsWizard15 on May 30, 2018 17:09:48 GMT -6
if we want to be back in the promised land for baseball fast, we have to get Fritzgerald. Might also bring his new freshman ace along with him
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on May 30, 2018 17:23:10 GMT -6
if we want to be back in the promised land for baseball fast, we have to get Fritzgerald. Might also bring his new freshman ace along with him I’ve done a little poking around since his name first came up. Fitzgerald is held in very high regard as a coach and recruiter.
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Post by SportsWizard15 on May 30, 2018 17:28:31 GMT -6
if we want to be back in the promised land for baseball fast, we have to get Fritzgerald. Might also bring his new freshman ace along with him I’ve done a little poking around since his name first came up. Fitzgerald is held in very high regard as a coach and recruiter. He recruited a pitcher from my high school that has a 100+ fastball when he offers from power 5 schools
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Post by bogeyman on May 30, 2018 19:33:50 GMT -6
I'll bite. Who is Fitzgerald?
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