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Post by Gocats! on Jul 8, 2020 15:25:07 GMT -6
IMHO, this is all ridiculous. The danger is for older people (me) not fit athletes in college (am I right that in Texas, 80% of fatalities due to Covid are 65+ with preexisting conditions and 0% fatalities under 25?). There is almost -0- chance of a college athlete who gets the virus having a severe case. Are college administrators and boards subscribing to "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" syndrome? What am I missing? Test, isolate positive results, test again. Let 'em play. P.S. Currently the CDC estimates upwards of 99.75% of Covid 19 positives recover and 80%+ of those who don't fall into the 65+ range with preexisting conditions. Because it is not about common sense and data. It is, and has always been, about politics and driving an agenda.
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Jul 8, 2020 18:37:13 GMT -6
“Currently the CDC estimates upwards of 99.75% of Covid 19 positives recover and 80%+ of those who don't fall into the 65+ range with preexisting conditions.”
Fact Check.
On the CDC website the death rate stands at 5.9% down from 9.0% two weeks ago. About 1/2 of deaths in the June surge are people under 50.
Hospitals in multiple states, including yours and mine, Bogey, are being stretched thin. Horry County is at 83% capacity - 8% above SC statewide average. The five major cities in Texas are all above 90%. This is serious. If it continues, football in the fall won’t happen.
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Post by bogeyman on Jul 8, 2020 19:33:24 GMT -6
Horry County is not your average SC county in that we have an influx of folks from the NE every summer (doubling our population from 215,000 to about 450,000). Mark Sims, the CEO of Grand Strand Medical Center (the largest in SC and Horry County) says that in the summer hospitals in Horry County are usually at near 100% capacity and 83% is very low for this time of year. The hospitals plan for this summer increase every year and are not nearly "stretched thin."
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Post by jCat on Jul 8, 2020 21:04:29 GMT -6
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 9, 2020 6:55:26 GMT -6
“Currently the CDC estimates upwards of 99.75% of Covid 19 positives recover and 80%+ of those who don't fall into the 65+ range with preexisting conditions.” Fact Check. On the CDC website the death rate stands at 5.9% down from 9.0% two weeks ago. About 1/2 of deaths in the June surge are people under 50. Hospitals in multiple states, including yours and mine, Bogey, are being stretched thin. Horry County is at 83% capacity - 8% above SC statewide average. The five major cities in Texas are all above 90%. This is serious. If it continues, football in the fall won’t happen. Ohio State and North Carolina have suspended voluntary workouts. The future of the 2020 season is very much in doubt.
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Post by acutrackfan on Jul 9, 2020 9:32:58 GMT -6
I am not a bit surprised about the Ivy League. Harvard had already announced it would only allow freshmen on campus this fall -- they will still attend their classes on-line, but I suppose will do so from their dorm rooms and they may get a tiny smidgen of the college freshman experience.
The conference that is impacted the most is the Patriot League -- of the 24 games Ivy League schools are playing, they are playing 13 against Patriot League schools. Patriot League is also a non-athletic-scholarship league and I could see them choosing to follow the Ivy League's lead and just do away with fall sports. Another thought -- the Ivy League has said this will not be revisited until January 1. They sure won't be playing November and December basketball games. I suppose the Ivy will give back their automatic bid for the 2020-21 season.
The unique feature about the Ivy League is that they are absolutely swimming in endowment money and they don't have to have students on campus to make lots of money. Their sports programs are more about competition within the League. What kind of endowments are we talking about? (By comparison, around $3 billion in endowment would pay for the total ACU budget in a year).
-Harvard - $39.4 BILLION (1st -- the largest endowment in the country) -Yale - $30.3 billion (ranked 3rd -- the UT system squeezes ahead of Yale) -Princeton - $26.1 billion (Ranked 5th -- just behind Stanford) -Penn - $14.66 billion (ranked 7th) -Columbia - $10.95 billion (ranked #13) -Cornell - $7.3 billion (ranked #18) -Dartmouth - $5.7 billion (ranked #24) -Brown - $3.97 billion (ranked #29 -- they are the poor relations of the Ivy League)
Brown already tried to drop T&F and they go so much blowback from dropping their most diverse sport, they have already backtracked and have said they will keep the sport.
I read the Stanford statement about dropping 11 sports. It is very, very well-written (should be when you have a PR staff of 100 people). Stanford has kept many sports going over the past few decades because of the perceived prestige. They were predicting an $11 million athletic shortfall BEFORE the pandemic. A few of the sports they cut were not even NCAA sports (light-weight rowing). The sports cut that WERE NCAA sports were all sports that had less than 22% of D-1 school participating and 4 had less than 35 schools participating in all of D-1. Also, 2 of the sports did not have anyone else competing in that sport in the entire country. Stanford has an endowment of over $27 billion - I guess they decided to spend that money somewhere other than in subsidizing a money-losing athletic department.
As someone who knows the endowment world well, I am very curious to see what may happen to endowments established for one of the 11 sports that are being dropped. What happens if some wealthy alum set up a $5 million endowment for fencing because their beloved grandchild wanted to fence in college. Then, the University drops that sport. Can the sport hang on to that endowment in good faith? I know at ACU most of the athletic endowments are tied very specifically to an individual sport. I will be checking some in the coming months to see how Stanford handles that, IF they even have any endowments in that particular sport.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 9, 2020 10:11:00 GMT -6
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 9, 2020 13:32:49 GMT -6
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Post by bucfan on Jul 9, 2020 15:00:46 GMT -6
Just saw that about the Big 10. Hoping the SEC doesn't follow suit but won't be surprised.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 9, 2020 16:23:07 GMT -6
Just saw that about the Big 10. Hoping the SEC doesn't follow suit but won't be surprised. “Insiders” are reporting the PAC12 is prepared to follow the Big’s lead and the ACC is considering the same option.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 9, 2020 16:23:57 GMT -6
Just saw that about the Big 10. Hoping the SEC doesn't follow suit but won't be surprised. “Insiders” are reporting the PAC12 is prepared to follow the Big’s lead and the ACC is considering the same option.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 13, 2020 8:46:43 GMT -6
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Jul 13, 2020 11:52:20 GMT -6
Do I remember that the Patriot League is non-scholarship in football? Or is the Ivy League the only one?
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 13, 2020 12:10:06 GMT -6
Do I remember that the Patriot League is non-scholarship in football? Or is the Ivy League the only one? The Pioneer League doesn’t offer scholarships. The Patriot League does, except possibly Georgetown. Edit to add: I’ll wager the pioneer league is next to drop fall sports.
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Post by acutrackfan on Jul 13, 2020 14:03:06 GMT -6
Not surprised at the Patriot League decision at all -- they usually follow the lead of the Ivy League. I noticed in an article on the Ivy League dropping fall sports that of the 24 non-conference games that were to be played by Ivy League schools, 13 were against Patriot League opponents. I don't know that any Ivy League school was scheduled to play ANY money games in non-conference -- frankly they just don't have to have money games.
A D-2 conference - the CIAA- has also announced they will not have any fall competitions as well. The NJCAA announced on Friday that they will move all of their fall sport competitions to the spring. How would that impact ACU? You may have noticed -- ACU prefers to get most of their JC transfers to the ACU campus by the spring semester. Many of the JC transfers who get here in the spring prior to their first fall end up making a difference in their first season. A large majority of the players who do not show up until the fall for their first year end up playing very little.
I have an interest in other fall sports -- I have a grand-daughter playing college volleyball at an SEC school. She is currently there going through "voluntary" workouts, but they have no idea if they will be playing at all this fall.
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