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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 21, 2021 16:15:53 GMT -6
The Houston Chronicle first reported and now Multiple sources are confirming that Texas and OU have been talking with the SEC. If this were to happen it’s lights our for the B12 and the rest of the Power Conferences would have a tough time competing. Might as well just call it the Power 1.
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Jul 21, 2021 16:40:25 GMT -6
That would be the start of 4 16-team super conferences with the objective of taking all the money, I think.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 21, 2021 17:50:59 GMT -6
That would be the start of 4 16-team super conferences with the objective of taking all the money, I think. Could the other current power conferences hope to compete against an SEC with Texas and OU added to their lineup? Even if what’s left of the Big 12 was plundered by the remaining conference it would be tough to keep pace with a 16 team SEC in my opinion.
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Post by catfanatic on Jul 21, 2021 21:04:26 GMT -6
Always thought ND football joining a conference would be the impetus for further realignment resulting in four 16-team conferences, with the respective conference’s championship game serving as de facto national championship quarterfinals. But, I’ll gladly accept a different path. Likewise, my $ says the ACC will soon announce ND’s full membership in all sports, along with WVU, to form the second 16-team super-conference. Then, look for KU and Ok State, Iowa St and K-State to form the third 16-team super-conference. Finally, BYU and Boise, Tech and Baylor or TCU to the PAC-16. Lastly, maybe ACU gets in a Texas-only SWC, Part 2.
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Post by catfanatic on Jul 21, 2021 21:13:25 GMT -6
That would be the start of 4 16-team super conferences with the objective of taking all the money, I think. Could the other current power conferences hope to compete against an SEC with Texas and OU added to their lineup? Even if what’s left of the Big 12 was plundered by the remaining conference it would be tough to keep pace with a 16 team SEC in my opinion. Yes, ND and WVU take the ACC to 16, KU and one of Iowa St, K-State or Ok. State, take the Big 10 to 16, and BYU, Boise and two of whatever’s left of the Big XII (Baylor, Iowa St., K-State, Ok. State, TCU or Tech). If all that happens, I see a Texas college-only SWC revival, including ACU, on the near horizon!
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Post by buckeyecat on Jul 21, 2021 21:38:51 GMT -6
In reality, today there are arguably 5 consistent “super” teams and they are in different conferences. Alabama and LSU in the SEC, Clemson in the ACC, Ohio State in the Big Ten, and Oklahoma in the Big Twelve. As far as fan loyalty, interest and money, my guess would be in the future, it would be the SEC followed by the Big Ten. The Big Ten would be hard pressed to get another two schools because besides being an athletic conference, it is a league of public (except for Northwestern) Tier 1 flagship research universities. The Pac 12, I believe, operates the same way.
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Jul 21, 2021 22:27:34 GMT -6
Historically, the Big 10 has only offered membership to Universities who are members of the Association of American Universities. The AAU is a group of about 50 of the premier research institutions. Nebraska of the current big 10 is the only non member but they were at the time they joined the BIG. (They’ve since lost their standing) Of the Bi 12 only Kansas, Iowa State and Texas are members. So if BIG expands, look at Kansas and Iowa State. ND is not a member but no doubt the BIG would grab them in a heartbeat.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 22, 2021 3:51:05 GMT -6
I’m not sure how all this plays out, other than a move by Texas and OU would set in motion another seismic shift in the college sports landscape that will very likely trickle down to the FCS and D2 levels. One short term possibility- The Big 10 makes a last minute pitch for both Texas and OU before they ink a deal with the SEC. Texas is a member of the AAU and OU brings in more federal research money than many current members.
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Post by buckeyecat on Jul 22, 2021 7:20:33 GMT -6
Thank you Cap’n and Oscar for your clarification of Big 10 policy. With that being said and with the willingness of UT and Oklahoma to leave the Big 12, I also would not be surprised if the BIG reaches out to Texas and Oklahoma. Just my opinion, but both, especially UT, culturally and philosophically are a better fit in the Big 10 or Pac 12 than the SEC. The SEC for the same reasons is perfect for A&M. Also Texas has become a prime recruiting ground for Ohio State. Add to the equation, A&M, because of their fear of again being overshadowed by UT is making noise about blocking UT’s move to he SEC.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 24, 2021 10:10:14 GMT -6
I was browsing UGA message boards and came across this gem- “‘Anyone else think it’s no coincidence that the whole Texas and OU to the SEC thing came just after multiple Buc-ees opened across Georgia?’
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Post by mavsman53 on Jul 24, 2021 11:49:34 GMT -6
Apparently this has been going on for 6 months or so. Many think it is the reason Coach Beard left Tech for Texas. It's the rich getting richer and will ultimately lead to the P5, soon to be P4 doing their own thing entirely.
Have to wonder what this does to schools like SMU and Houston
A&M was supposedly left out these conversations due to their disdain for Texas. Their board of regents are supposed to meet next week to discuss what to do.
it's about to get really messy.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 24, 2021 12:05:06 GMT -6
Apparently this has been going on for 6 months or so. Many think it is the reason Coach Beard left Tech for Texas. It's the rich getting richer and will ultimately lead to the P5, soon to be P4 doing their own thing entirely. Have to wonder what this does to schools like SMU and Houston A&M was supposedly left out these conversations due to their disdain for Texas. Their board of regents are supposed to meet next week to discuss what to do. it's about to get really messy. A&M has a legitimate gripe if they were really left out of the conversation. There are also reports saying reps from A&M and other member institutions were included. Who knows at this point? I’d say the odds are good of Houston getting an invite to join what’s left of the Big 12. Maybe SMU, too, although I imagine schools like BYU, Cincinnati, Central and South Florida are also in the mix, I’d think. Or, the BIG could poach Kansas and/or Iowa State and the PAC could invite a couple more left overs, which would see the Big 12 go the way of Braniff airlines and the Southwest Conference.
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Post by bucfan on Jul 24, 2021 14:45:40 GMT -6
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Jul 24, 2021 15:46:28 GMT -6
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Post by rc on Jul 24, 2021 20:10:30 GMT -6
As a UT ex, as well as an ACU grad, I have some thoughts about our choice of conferences. I wish a conference was both academically distinguished as well as athletically noted. The Big 12 was not a strong academic conference and neither is the SEC. West Virginia and Texas Tech do not even rank in the top 200 universities. Peers are important in my mind. The WAC is a below average academic conference before the Texas four and I have no idea how it would rank in its current and next year configuration, but I suspect it will still not rank very highly academically. At least ACU can make some claim of academic standing in some important areas and our student success ranking is quite good. My only point is I suspect the best overall conference is the BIG if you take both academic and athletic factors into consideration. The SEC is likely the top athletic conference and that factors hugely among alumni. I just like both factors.
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