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Post by jaminthebody on Jan 13, 2024 9:14:13 GMT -6
I haven’t been less invested or impressed with our entire athletic department since the move to D1. This type of info seems to suggest football is still a disaster. This type of info suggests that the football program now finally has enough money to invest in quality and experienced assistants.
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Post by bogeyman on Jan 13, 2024 10:51:55 GMT -6
Certainly two different perspectives. There is a part of me that agrees with wildcatter in that visibly this does not look good. On the otherhand, I'm truly hoping that jamin is right and there is a new flow of resources that will help us upgrade the quality of assistants and our whole program. In retrospect, we've had two former OL who have been promoted to OC (Nathan Young, Ryan Pugh) as 1st year coordinators and in my opinion neither did an especially noteworthy job. I think I'm much more comfortable with experience (especially high scoring offensive experience like Bowie) at this position. What I'm not comfortable with is the lack of info coming from the program, but of course I'm " beating a dead horse" on that. I hope we get to hear from coach KP, Rick Bowie and any other new coaches soon. It would be nice to know who is on our staff and how recruiting is coming along. Will this change cause us to lose some players?
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Jan 13, 2024 11:42:38 GMT -6
Bogie, the team is not on campus right now. They have not been told of the changes. There is a team meeting at 5 o’clock on Monday to inform the players. So, I think that info should not be released until the players have been informed. Hopefully there will be more communication next week. Classes start on Tuesday.
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Post by mavsman53 on Jan 13, 2024 13:00:33 GMT -6
Bogey, I can speak a bit into the lack of announcement from ACUsports. ACU will NOT announce anything until that coach has filled all the appropriate paperwork, background checks have been done, etc. Why are they slow about it; I can't answer that, but that is the way they operate. Also not totally sure that Bowie is in town yet. I would expect next week, we will start to see more things regarding recruiting, but that will mainly be high school recruits
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Post by bogeyman on Jan 13, 2024 13:35:04 GMT -6
Not worried just about Bowie but who's staying. Who is coordinating our recruiting? Who has committed?
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Post by wildcatter on Jan 13, 2024 13:37:10 GMT -6
I haven’t been less invested or impressed with our entire athletic department since the move to D1. This type of info seems to suggest football is still a disaster. This type of info suggests that the football program now finally has enough money to invest in quality and experienced assistants. Every year we say we need more money to invest. So now we are implying hiring a coach from D2 is indicative of having more money?? We hired a very successful coach from D3 to be the OC and canned him after a year. We told the OL coach he could be OC and they was for a year. Maybe he was a stop gap and knew he would be back at OL after this one year, either way, I don’t see how this implies we have more investment in the program. We needed more money for Dorrel and company. We need more money for Patterson and crew. Now THIS hire means we finally have investment?? There is no information coming from this program for the past two years, there is no excitement anymore since the stadium opened, there is no online presence. We recruited the heck out of FBS transfers that left us looking more the part of a FCS team, but still performing like a middling program. I do not care where any coach comes from, just look at De Boers and his path to Alabama. If a coach knows ball and how to lead a team then let’s do it. All I’m saying is I want to see a spark out of something in this Athletic department, let alone the football team.
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Post by wildcatter on Jan 13, 2024 13:38:23 GMT -6
Oh and Mavsman indicates that possibly the entire coaching staff is gone besides two people??? Patterson is suggesting every other coach he has hired has been the problem?
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Post by bogeyman on Jan 13, 2024 13:51:04 GMT -6
Maybe I am naive but I don't see that suggestion in these moves.
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Post by mavsman53 on Jan 13, 2024 16:03:37 GMT -6
Catter, I am not suggesting that at all. I do think there could be other moves that happen, as I have stated. 2 coaches are already gone (Danzey and Clark). What I have found odd is how quiet the staff has been in recruiting. Many on this board will think I am talking about the lack of commits, but I'm not saying that at all. The coaches have stopped following new players that have entered the portal and high school players. Maybe it is nothing, but to me it means changes seem to be in order or have happened.
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Post by bucfan on Jan 13, 2024 16:19:50 GMT -6
It bothers me that there seems to be a lot more excitement about Houston Christian's coaching staff and recruiting than what we are receiving. They play in a joke of a stadium and have only had one decent year. Yes, I know the Houston>Abilene argument but we should be a much more attractive option for players AND coaches.
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Post by jaminthebody on Jan 13, 2024 17:08:27 GMT -6
This type of info suggests that the football program now finally has enough money to invest in quality and experienced assistants. Every year we say we need more money to invest. So now we are implying hiring a coach from D2 is indicative of having more money?? We hired a very successful coach from D3 to be the OC and canned him after a year. We told the OL coach he could be OC and they was for a year. Maybe he was a stop gap and knew he would be back at OL after this one year, either way, I don’t see how this implies we have more investment in the program. We needed more money for Dorrel and company. We need more money for Patterson and crew. Now THIS hire means we finally have investment?? There is no information coming from this program for the past two years, there is no excitement anymore since the stadium opened, there is no online presence. We recruited the heck out of FBS transfers that left us looking more the part of a FCS team, but still performing like a middling program. I do not care where any coach comes from, just look at De Boers and his path to Alabama. If a coach knows ball and how to lead a team then let’s do it. All I’m saying is I want to see a spark out of something in this Athletic department, let alone the football team. A few things have happened that make me think that the investment for the coaching staff is occuring. 1. The conversation for about a decade has been about increasing pay for assistants. 2. If you read Bowie’s bio, he has coached at FBS schools under one of the best offensive coaches in the country, Dana Holgerson. I don’t remember another hire with that resume. 3. Near the end of the season, a large donation was given to the football program for an endowment. Many former players and Wally Bullington’s widow were on the field to present the check. I don’t remember the amount, but I seem to think it was $1,000,000. A program can very easily earn 50,000 per year off of that investment. A good investment strategy could make 100,000. 4. Two seasons ago, there was a large amount given to improve the Strength Training and Nutrition program for the team. That means the next big financial need was higher pay for coaches. With the appearance of some turnover in the staff, it only makes sense that they resources are there to upgrade in at least experience.
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Post by wildcatter on Jan 13, 2024 18:18:57 GMT -6
All I can say is Collums did just as well with less than the previous regime and likely much less than the current regime so I can’t buy that bit any longer. Baseball is all I have hope for in regards to success and that’s a bummer. Whatever the conference points cup is called we will likely finish near the bottom.
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Jan 13, 2024 18:29:47 GMT -6
All I can say is Collums did just as well with less than the previous regime and likely much less than the current regime so I can’t buy that bit any longer. Baseball is all I have hope for in regards to success and that’s a bummer. Whatever the conference points cup is called we will likely finish near the bottom. Not necessarily. We have a really good chance to win the WAC in both men/women’s tennis and men’s and women’s golf. Softball and baseball look to finish high this year and both track teams should be top 3 or 4. That’s 8 sports and football is only one sport.
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Post by acu38troy35 on Jan 15, 2024 8:01:36 GMT -6
I haven’t been less invested or impressed with our entire athletic department since the move to D1. This type of info seems to suggest football is still a disaster. Catter, I think you have made some good points especially on some of the optics of this current offseason. But speaking as someone who played during the “De Leon Youngest AD in NCAA” era. We are in a much better place than that. That regime was quite simply a joke. This current operation is light years ahead of that.
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Post by wildcatter on Jan 15, 2024 20:25:50 GMT -6
Maybe in the background the resources are more available, but what about in regards to on field success? Was the team with the most FBS transfer talent and most resources we’ve ever had any more impressive this season? I’m thinking our biggest chance at a spark was Tremaine Jackson. He’s hopped around since his one season here as DC but he’s also had more success every stop he’s made than we have. We have no spark and haven’t in years.
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