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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Feb 27, 2020 9:53:32 GMT -6
Update on Tyler Carr ... I have been told that Carr has been here on an unofficial visit - loved the campus and the offense we play. He wanted to consult with his parents so an official visit with him and his parents has been scheduled in the next couple of weeks. The coaches are cautiously optimistic that he will commit at that time. They really, really want him on our team.
Anonymous quote: “Carr looks like an offensive lineman and runs like a wide receiver.”
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Mar 1, 2020 22:09:01 GMT -6
Another transfer tip. Watch out for CJ Jones of Blinn. 5’9” 185. RB. Little bird told me he wants to come to ACU. Waiting to graduate in May. Solid academics plus 4.5 speed.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Mar 2, 2020 4:49:19 GMT -6
Another transfer tip. Watch out for CJ Jones of Blinn. 5’9” 185. RB. Little bird told me he wants to come to ACU. Waiting to graduate in May. Solid academics plus 4.5 speed. Three star player out of high school. Transferred to Blinn from TAMU. 247sports.com/Player/CJ-Jones-76627/high-school-133410/
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Mar 2, 2020 4:52:08 GMT -6
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Post by TNcatman on Mar 4, 2020 19:57:07 GMT -6
I'd like to know if we ever had a chance with Kris McCune -- a 6'2", 220 lb, Safety from Dallas Christian who just transferred to SFA from Oklahoma State. I might be stepping in it here, but I wonder if the coaching staff really understands the value and opportunity of the c of c connection and how we could/should capitalize on it. The Ft Worth Chrisitans, Dallas Christians and even the Lispcomb Academys and Greater Atlanta schools should be the "low hanging fruit" for us. We should be so tight with those schools that if a kid like McCune does decide to go to Okie State and then wants to transfer, that we are in the runnning because we were already connected through his HS. What if we became known as the go to FCS for all the private c of c secondary schools?
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Post by mavsman53 on Mar 4, 2020 20:13:06 GMT -6
Nashville, I hear what you are saying, but I have different thoughts-
1. Just because McCune went to Dallas Christian does not mean he is a church of Christ kid. On the flip side, I wouldn't call ACU a church of Christ school. It is a christian university with a church of Christ heritage.
2. It's a 2-way street. Let's say ACU did show interest in McCune. Why did he choose SFA or ACU?
3. Just because a student goes to a private christian school, does NOT mean that he fits the standard at ACU.
4. With 85 scholarships to give, we can't just only look at private school transfers. I know you didn't say that, but the goal is for the coaches to put the best roster possible. Sometimes, that will include HS private school kids, transfer private school kids and sometimes it won't.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Mar 5, 2020 2:32:47 GMT -6
Nashville, I hear what you are saying, but I have different thoughts- 1. Just because McCune went to Dallas Christian does not mean he is a church of Christ kid. On the flip side, I wouldn't call ACU a church of Christ school. It is a christian university with a church of Christ heritage. 2. It's a 2-way street. Let's say ACU did show interest in McCune. Why did he choose SFA or ACU? 3. Just because a student goes to a private christian school, does NOT mean that he fits the standard at ACU. 4. With 85 scholarships to give, we can't just only look at private school transfers. I know you didn't say that, but the goal is for the coaches to put the best roster possible. Sometimes, that will include HS private school kids, transfer private school kids and sometimes it won't. I’m going with Nashville on this one. There are a handful of private c of C schools that turn out D1 talent year after year after year. Greater Atlanta Christian, for example, has 4-5 players who sign with D1 schools each year. High school coaches help influence the college choices of their prospective recruits. They encourage athletes to look at certain schools and avoid others, We should have a natural In with schools such as this given our common identity and the probability that one or more members of the coaching staff attended ACU. I don’t know if we still do so but our admissions office used to be keenly aware that Christian schools are prime recruiting territory, sending representatives to their campuses each year in search of prospective students. Even if students aren’t members of the Church of Christ, by attending a church related a High school they are familiar with the cultural expectations. There is a difference between focusing exclusively on C of C schools and in including them in the mix. This will sound more critical than I indeed but it’s not like we are doing such a stellar job of recruiting high schools that we can overlook a potential talent pipeline to schools where we enjoy certain recruiting advantages. Just my dos centavos worth,
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Post by mavsman53 on Mar 5, 2020 8:19:31 GMT -6
I hear what both of you are saying, I just don't think it's as cut and dry as you are trying to make it.
I'm fairly confident that the admissions folks at ACU spend a lot of time at places like FWC, DC and others. I know they do at Abilene Christian Schools where my kids go (and yes, I know its right down the street). To me, it would be easy for ACU to think, all ACS kids will go to ACU because we are right up the road. However, they invite them to events and are on campus quite a bit.
As a former private school teacher and coach myself, some students want to branch out from the private school experience. Some students ONLY come to a private school because mom and dad are making them. Some leave saying I will never do that again. Trust me, I saw it all! On the flip side, some students want to go to a public school to be a light on that campus. Who knows, maybe that is McCune's story.
A lot of us said just a few weeks ago that the coaching staff took a lot of private school players in this class. So, we didn't get one recruit and now the coaching staff and the admissions department aren't doing enough?
We will NEVER get every private school stud. It just won't happen.
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Post by Outsider on Mar 5, 2020 9:19:41 GMT -6
I know I am clicking a lot of likes, but it is because we are flushing it out and honestly talking about all the sides to it. I empathize with wanting to keep CofC kids coming in to ACU because I see heritage fading. I also realize that any given kid and/or parent may have other plans and it isn't always on the school or staff. I was one who was happy to see a larger mix of private school kids this go around and am still hoping they turn out to be key contributors. I empathize with your story Mavsman, going through the GST myself. I was older when I went through, but I saw what a lot of students were struggling with as well as having my own issues to deal with. I know there are people out there that question if I have abandoned my Restoration roots. I haven't, but my definitions have grown the deeper I went into those roots. Because of that, my appreciation for ACU itself has grown. Besides, my family has deep roots at ACU, past and current. I remember a time trying to decide if I wanted a Christian education or not. I also know how expensive it is. There are so many variables. For ANY kid that wants to come here, I say come and give it your everything. To any kid that chose something else, I say be a beacon wherever you are and give it your everything.
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Post by TNcatman on Mar 5, 2020 9:26:17 GMT -6
Nashville, I hear what you are saying, but I have different thoughts- 1. Just because McCune went to Dallas Christian does not mean he is a church of Christ kid. On the flip side, I wouldn't call ACU a church of Christ school. It is a christian university with a church of Christ heritage. 2. It's a 2-way street. Let's say ACU did show interest in McCune. Why did he choose SFA or ACU? 3. Just because a student goes to a private christian school, does NOT mean that he fits the standard at ACU. 4. With 85 scholarships to give, we can't just only look at private school transfers. I know you didn't say that, but the goal is for the coaches to put the best roster possible. Sometimes, that will include HS private school kids, transfer private school kids and sometimes it won't. Mavsman, I don't know where to start. You seem to be reading into my comments and making assumptions that might not be there. 1) I didn't say ACU was a c of c school 2) I didn't say that just because a student goes to a private, Chrisitian school, they fit the standards of ACU. (Not sure what you mean by the "standards of ACU." ACU is and will always be, unless they change the charter, a univ that is directly connected with the c of c. We should at the lease have a connection with the private, secondary schools who have that same alignment. I can gurantee you that beyond the boundaries of Texas, we do not have a connection with any c of c schools. In general terms, if a students attends a private, c of c school they are much more likely to be a fit with ACU. They are familiar with the c of c connection and they are paying private school tuition. I'm NOT saying that we only look at private, c of c HS, but we should at least have a conversation with the head coach or recruiting coordinator.
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Post by mavsman53 on Mar 5, 2020 11:25:32 GMT -6
if a students attends a private, c of c school they are much more likely to be a fit with ACU.
I'm not sure I agree with this. Can they be a fit? Sure; but some aren't. First, the churches of christ are changing. Many traditional churches of christ are struggling to survive. Many, like the Hills in Fort Worth are more non-denominational churches, than they are traditional churches of christ. Don't believe me, the Christian Chronicle used to have a field day on Rick Atchley and Max Lucado. They have only recently come around on them. When I taught at Southwest Christian, we had students in our school that weren't christians. Some were even so-called atheists. The same can be said for Fort Worth Christian, Dallas Christian, Lubbock Christian, etc. Not all of the students that attend those schools are from a church of christ background. Are there more church of christ kids at those schools, absolutely! But, ACU is changing too. Less than half of the student body comes from a church of christ background. In fact, if you were to take out students from the Hills, and other churches like that, it's probably more like 25% come from traditional churches of christ.
Some students do not want to be a part of daily chapel. Some don't want to go to Bible class 3 times in a week as a freshman. For some students, ACU's stance on LGBT rights leaves some not wanting to come here. For some students, they see the faculty and staff as too liberal on those issues. For some students, they get on campus and they don't see enough diversity. ACU has made huge strides here, but it could be better. I know these things, as I was on staff at ACU for 8 years.
So back to McCune, do we know for a fact he is a church of Christ kid? Do we know that he ever wanted to attend ACU? Do we know what his grades were? When I speak on ACU's standard, it is serving others, character and grades. McCune could be a great kid; a great student. For whatever reason, he chose to go to Oklahoma St first, and now to SFA.
Lastly, I don't think we can say that the coaches aren't recruiting private school players, some that even attended church of christ high schools. They did, this year! Who knows, maybe it will grow even more for 2021.
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Post by mavsman53 on Mar 5, 2020 11:35:39 GMT -6
Please know, I am not trying to argue for argument sake. I just think we are picking out a few cases and making a broad statement that ACU and the coaches can do better. Who knows, maybe they can and maybe they should. I just don't think we know the full story on a player like McCune.
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Post by TNcatman on Mar 5, 2020 11:45:52 GMT -6
if a students attends a private, c of c school they are much more likely to be a fit with ACU. I'm not sure I agree with this. Can they be a fit? Sure; but some aren't. First, the churches of christ are changing. Many traditional churches of christ are struggling to survive. Many, like the Hills in Fort Worth are more non-denominational churches, than they are traditional churches of christ. Don't believe me, the Christian Chronicle used to have a field day on Rick Atchley and Max Lucado. They have only recently come around on them. When I taught at Southwest Christian, we had students in our school that weren't christians. Some were even so-called atheists. The same can be said for Fort Worth Christian, Dallas Christian, Lubbock Christian, etc. Not all of the students that attend those schools are from a church of christ background. Are there more church of christ kids at those schools, absolutely! But, ACU is changing too. Less than half of the student body comes from a church of christ background. In fact, if you were to take out students from the Hills, and other churches like that, it's probably more like 25% come from traditional churches of christ. Some students do not want to be a part of daily chapel. Some don't want to go to Bible class 3 times in a week as a freshman. For some students, ACU's stance on LGBT rights leaves some not wanting to come here. For some students, they see the faculty and staff as too liberal on those issues. For some students, they get on campus and they don't see enough diversity. ACU has made huge strides here, but it could be better. I know these things, as I was on staff at ACU for 8 years. So back to McCune, do we know for a fact he is a church of Christ kid? Do we know that he ever wanted to attend ACU? Do we know what his grades were? When I speak on ACU's standard, it is serving others, character and grades. McCune could be a great kid; a great student. For whatever reason, he chose to go to Oklahoma St first, and now to SFA. Lastly, I don't think we can say that the coaches aren't recruiting private school players, some that even attended church of christ high schools. They did, this year! Who knows, maybe it will grow even more for 2021. The key phrase is, "much more likely." Once again, you are making an all encompassing statement. "Can they be a fit? Sure; but some aren't." Of course some arent, maybe many aren't, but the FACTS are if they are attending a private, Christian HS that has a hertiage in the c of c, they are more likely to be a good fit. I understand the c of c -- where it's been and where it's going. My dad was a FT preacher for 52 years and I agree with most of what you said, but it's not relevant to my statements. Also, I NEVER said "coaches aren't recruiting private school players." I will confidently say that coaches have zero contact in many private, Chrisitan HS outside the state of Texas. Thanks. I'm done.
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Post by bucfan on Mar 25, 2020 20:46:49 GMT -6
Saw on Twitter where Cade Lippincotti from Bridgeland "signed his letter of intent" to play football for ACU. Is he an academic walk on? I don't remember hearing about him. May have just missed any discussion.
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Post by mavsman53 on Mar 25, 2020 21:46:20 GMT -6
Lippincott. He appears to be a walk-on at the LS position
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