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Academics
Nov 22, 2021 23:58:37 GMT -6
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Post by Evan from KTXS on Nov 22, 2021 23:58:37 GMT -6
I see y’all list a high academic standard as one of the recruiting challenges for ACU, and that Dorrel set the football team’s standard higher than the rest of the university.
Does anyone have actual numbers for what was the grades / test score requirement for football?
I’m just curious.
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Post by mavsman53 on Nov 23, 2021 7:55:24 GMT -6
Great question Evan, and I am not sure if I will be able to find the actual numbers, but I do know they have been over a 3.0+ cumulative GPA the past 3-4 semesters
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Post by Outsider on Nov 23, 2021 8:05:33 GMT -6
I think APR scores would be the best way to look at that. I think we were up to 992 for 2021, but that was over-all. I am still trying to look up football in particular over the last several yeras.
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Post by Outsider on Nov 23, 2021 8:08:50 GMT -6
I can't remember if APR also lists the actual team GPA next to it.
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Post by Outsider on Nov 23, 2021 8:10:08 GMT -6
Great question Evan, and I am not sure if I will be able to find the actual numbers, but I do know they have been over a 3.0+ cumulative GPA the past 3-4 semesters Football was up to 3.35 GPA by the Fall of 2020 I believe.
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Post by Outsider on Nov 23, 2021 8:31:23 GMT -6
Ok, sorry, was finally able to pull some numbers off the NCAA database. Please correct me if I am incorrect. Ken Collums: 2013-2014 = 930, 2014-2015 = 949, 2015-2016 = 905. Adam Dorrel: 2017-2018 = 955, 2018-2019 = 965 I don't see the listing for 2019-202 yet. web3.ncaa.org/aprsearch/coachNameList
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Post by EastTexasWildcat on Nov 23, 2021 8:54:36 GMT -6
I think what Evan is asking is what were the Entrance Requirements for the players? Did he require higher grade requirements/test scores that would make recruiting even more difficult? If so, what were the requirements? I could be wrong but that’s how I read it.
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Post by Outsider on Nov 23, 2021 9:10:03 GMT -6
I think what Evan is asking is what were the Entrance Requirements for the players? Did he require higher grade requirements/test scores that would make recruiting even more difficult? If so, what were the requirements? I could be wrong but that’s how I read it. Sorry, could be. I am not sure that I had heard of any entrance requirements other than finding student athletes that were already doing well in class, or willing to. I would think that would be a fairly large parameter. The minminum NCAA DI eligibility requirements are: 2.3 GPA and a 900 SAT or 75 ACT sum score. I am sure that Dorrel looked for those well above that who performed well on the field, but I am also sure he took others as long as they were willing to put the work in.
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Post by acutrackfan on Nov 23, 2021 9:36:13 GMT -6
Ok, sorry, was finally able to pull some numbers off the NCAA database. Please correct me if I am incorrect. Ken Collums: 2013-2014 = 930, 2014-2015 = 949, 2015-2016 = 905. Adam Dorrel: 2017-2018 = 955, 2018-2019 = 965 I don't see the listing for 2019-202 yet. web3.ncaa.org/aprsearch/coachNameList I am convinced that 905 in 2015-2016 was a big reason for KC being let go -- there was panic in the whole athletic department.
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Post by Outsider on Nov 23, 2021 9:41:46 GMT -6
Ok, sorry, was finally able to pull some numbers off the NCAA database. Please correct me if I am incorrect. Ken Collums: 2013-2014 = 930, 2014-2015 = 949, 2015-2016 = 905. Adam Dorrel: 2017-2018 = 955, 2018-2019 = 965 I don't see the listing for 2019-202 yet. web3.ncaa.org/aprsearch/coachNameList I am convinced that 905 in 2015-2016 was a big reason for KC being let go -- there was panic in the whole athletic department. I thought the same thing.
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Academics
Nov 23, 2021 10:01:28 GMT -6
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Post by jaminthebody on Nov 23, 2021 10:01:28 GMT -6
I think a key point is if the standard for the football program was higher, lower, or the same as the entrance requirements for the University. Did the staff look at GPA, Test scores, Honors credits, extracurriculars, etc? If those standards were higher or if the standards of class attendance, maintaining grades and assignments were higher, then that explains a big portion of what we lost most recruiting battles. I feel for KC, it seems he didn’t have the academic resources that AD had. I think he should not have let the team GPA or the APR get that low, but he was not given all of the resources to compete.
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Academics
Nov 23, 2021 10:22:10 GMT -6
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Post by catfanatic on Nov 23, 2021 10:22:10 GMT -6
I am convinced that 905 in 2015-2016 was a big reason for KC being let go -- there was panic in the whole athletic department. I thought the same thing. Agreed. It would appear Coach Collums wasn’t meeting academic or athletic expectations, while Coach Dorrel wasn’t meeting athletic expectations. That said, do we have enough funding to hire a “someone with D-1 HC experience who also checks our other equally important boxes” (e.g. Colby Carthel, or, alternatively, Gary Patterson or Art Briles “tethered to successor” like Zack Kittley or Kendal Briles) PLUS fund a staff enables continued academic success and reverses athletic fortunes. Meanwhile, lest we forget: 1. Gary Patterson had no HC experience when TCU chose him to succeed Dennis Franchione; 2. Similarly, Dave Aranda and Joey McGuire @ Bay-luh and Tech, respectively; 3. Tom Herman did and it’s well-documented how THAT turned out; 4. Likewise, Chad Morris did and he was terminated after being unable to win an SEC game in two years, not to mention losing to North Texas, San Jose State, Colorado State and Western Kentucky; and, 5. Lastly, Sam Pittman, who, with a win Friday against Mizzou will have a .500 record, including seven SEC wins, in the same time given the “Chad Morris Experiment”, and he’d NEVER been an HC beyond JUCO My point being, we need to find someone who: A. Loves ACU; B. Lives it’s mission; C. Has a record of success with ever-increasing responsibility, regardless of position; D. Believes Abilene is THE best place in the face of the earth; and, E. Gets their players to play up to their standard, BUT still love them the way they do our other HC’s Eastman $ Beaudine have been “given the bit”. Bows the time to pray for their success.
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Nov 24, 2021 19:21:48 GMT -6
I see y’all list a high academic standard as one of the recruiting challenges for ACU, and that Dorrel set the football team’s standard higher than the rest of the university. Does anyone have actual numbers for what was the grades / test score requirement for football? I’m just curious. I don’t think that Dorrel set the requirements above the University requirements for all students. But, compared to other FCS universities - especially regional publics - the team’s requirements are higher. But ACU as a university has a very different mission than SFA or Lamar whose missions are to make it as easy as possible for anyone to get a college education.
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