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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Jan 9, 2022 14:54:05 GMT -6
You are right, Bogey. I was not downplaying the ability to rebound as much as I was scratching my head as to why teams like UVU, SFA, and SHSU shoot well above their average from 3 when they play us. And it seems to be the bigs. Tariq, Kensmill and Flagg.
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Post by Outsider on Jan 9, 2022 16:06:35 GMT -6
You are right, Bogey. I was not downplaying the ability to rebound as much as I was scratching my head as to why teams like UVU, SFA, and SHSU shoot well above their average from 3 when they play us. And it seems to be the bigs. Tariq, Kensmill and Flagg. Yes, why have teams ranked worse than us, all of a sudden been able to shoot both 3s and FGs against us? That's a key question. It's not just their size as people other than their bigs were hitting shots. It's not just our size not being able to block them when Tanner decides to run our smalls. Several times I watched us rush to the ball while defending and leave their shooters wide open on the perimeter to shoot a three. At other times, we contested their shot, but they had already had a lock on the basket before we put our arms up and they shoot right over us. Were we only the top scoring team in the WAC against smaller teams? Were we only one of the nation's top defenses against smaller teams? Did we just get soft like Tanner said? I think we will know a lot in the first 10 minutes of the GCU game...
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Post by PurpleHaze on Jan 9, 2022 20:21:10 GMT -6
You are right, Bogey. I was not downplaying the ability to rebound as much as I was scratching my head as to why teams like UVU, SFA, and SHSU shoot well above their average from 3 when they play us. And it seems to be the bigs. Tariq, Kensmill and Flagg. Yes, why have teams ranked worse than us, all of a sudden been able to shoot both 3s and FGs against us? That's a key question. It's not just their size as people other than their bigs were hitting shots. It's not just our size not being able to block them when Tanner decides to run our smalls. Several times I watched us rush to the ball while defending and leave their shooters wide open on the perimeter to shoot a three. At other times, we contested their shot, but they had already had a lock on the basket before we put our arms up and they shoot right over us. Were we only the top scoring team in the WAC against smaller teams? Were we only one of the nation's top defenses against smaller teams? Did we just get soft like Tanner said? I think we will know a lot in the first 10 minutes of the GCU game... Seems we have had a lot of shots blocked this season so I checked the numbers. Not much different than last season overall (except we aren't blocking shots), but conference games are out of whack this season. 2020-2021 ACU blocks/game – 3.00 Opp blocks/game – 3.80 2021-2022 ACU blocks/game – 1.80 Opp blocks/game – 3.60 2021-2022 four conference games to date ACU blocks/game – 1.25 Opp blocks/game – 6.00
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Post by rc on Jan 10, 2022 8:20:12 GMT -6
Loses to SFA and SHSU are a body blow, but I remember well the announcement that Kohl was not returning as well as Pleasant and Gayman. Alarms went off. We need a Kinsmil or Flagg to anchor our style of basketball. I hope our future has something in the wings. I am a huge fan of Simmons and his hustle but we still need strenth AND height that can score and rebound with the big men in the WAC.
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Post by bucfan on Jan 10, 2022 9:26:15 GMT -6
I didn't realize Flagg for Sam Houston is a Texas A&M grad transfer. Would love to have a few of those.
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Post by rc on Jan 10, 2022 10:39:44 GMT -6
Amaiq and Flagg are the class of the league in my opinion but Kensmill is close. I don't know NMSU's stars but they have 6'11 and 6'10 players and I assume GCU is about the same. This type of big man is a real premium and we will need amazing recruiting to stay in the game. We get excited about 6'3" guards, and of course that is great, but to dominate we need a Simmons who is 6'10" or more.
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Post by bogeyman on Jan 10, 2022 10:58:05 GMT -6
Pretty sure that Steele played vs Sam Houston. Not much if any in 2nd half. Does he now have covid? What about the rest of the team?
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Post by jaminthebody on Jan 10, 2022 10:59:06 GMT -6
Amaiq and Flagg are the class of the league in my opinion but Kensmill is close. I don't know NMSU's stars but they have 6'11 and 6'10 players and I assume GCU is about the same. This type of big man is a real premium and we will need amazing recruiting to stay in the game. We get excited about 6'3" guards, and of course that is great, but to dominate we need a Simmons who is 6'10" or more. If there were an Arion Simmons that was 6’10”, he’d be an NBA All-Star. I think everyone overlooks how athletic and quick he is. He had a double-double on Saturday.
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Post by bogeyman on Jan 10, 2022 11:00:10 GMT -6
For what it's worth, I am not a Kensmill fan. King of floppers, master whiner.
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Post by Outsider on Jan 10, 2022 11:02:33 GMT -6
Amaiq and Flagg are the class of the league in my opinion but Kensmill is close. I don't know NMSU's stars but they have 6'11 and 6'10 players and I assume GCU is about the same. This type of big man is a real premium and we will need amazing recruiting to stay in the game. We get excited about 6'3" guards, and of course that is great, but to dominate we need a Simmons who is 6'10" or more. Gai was a good addition for his height and wingspan, but he is simply too small, frame wise, currently. He struggles against the stronger bigs. I think he is still useful though. We tend to prefer to go after 6'3 - 6'7 gaurds in recruiting that we feel will fit our defense. STILL, we had better success against bigger players earlier this year before SFA and Sam. So why are these two games so different? If we had success against bigger teams earlier, we can still have success against GCU and NMSU IF we fix the problems of last week.
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Post by wildcatter on Jan 10, 2022 11:48:47 GMT -6
I think it’s because Sam and SFA are more prepared than Utah Valley was for our style of play. Sam didn’t make many errant passes either. They had more steals than we did. I don’t think the defense was bad either game, I think the offense is what struggled, and its because we couldn’t score down low.
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Post by acumedic on Jan 10, 2022 12:14:29 GMT -6
Amaiq and Flagg are the class of the league in my opinion but Kensmill is close. I don't know NMSU's stars but they have 6'11 and 6'10 players and I assume GCU is about the same. This type of big man is a real premium and we will need amazing recruiting to stay in the game. We get excited about 6'3" guards, and of course that is great, but to dominate we need a Simmons who is 6'10" or more. NMSU has Teddy Allen who is as good as anyone in the league.
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Post by Outsider on Jan 10, 2022 12:17:39 GMT -6
I think it’s because Sam and SFA are more prepared than Utah Valley was for our style of play. Sam didn’t make many errant passes either. They had more steals than we did. I don’t think the defense was bad either game, I think the offense is what struggled, and its because we couldn’t score down low. I watched key defense mistakes both games, but also agree that it was the offense that was the key difference in both games.
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Post by texas48 on Jan 10, 2022 17:18:05 GMT -6
We weren't hitting our outside shots, and we were definitely not patient. We could have been more patient and taken better shots in both games. Sometimes it just seemed like players were trying to do to much to try to get us back in the game instead of playing our game letting our "game" get us back into a rhythm. I agree, both teams were ready for our style of play. We came out flat and we we let them frustrate us with solid defense and execution. Both teams hitting a crazy number of threes. I hope to see us return to our game this week!
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