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Post by bogeyman on Jun 15, 2024 15:14:55 GMT -6
We played the University of Pennsylvania not Penn State. Huge difference. Ivy League vs. Big 10.
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Post by Outsider on Jun 15, 2024 15:16:44 GMT -6
We played the University of Pennsylvania not Penn State. Huge difference. Yes, that was a typical RC slip. I knew exactly who he meant.
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Post by rc on Jun 15, 2024 17:30:38 GMT -6
Spot on... Typical RC slip up. I was thinking of the Ivy league. I wish we had some form of a similar conference here but ACU is sort of unique in this part of the world. Go read the General Board's latest announcement.
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Post by Outsider on Jun 15, 2024 19:47:37 GMT -6
Spot on... Typical RC slip up. I was thinking of the Ivy league. I wish we had some form of a similar conference here but ACU is sort of unique in this part of the world. Go read the General Board's latest announcement. Instead of an ONLY Texas league we can restart the Magnolia League.
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Post by Cap'n on Jun 15, 2024 20:36:45 GMT -6
To clarify, SFA doesn't owe us a game home or otherwise. The two schools elected to maintain their "rivalry". Both teams had openings in the final week and didn[t want to pay somebody so they decided to to a football deal as well as a two year basketball deal. Win/Win.
By the way, it cost SFA $120k to back out of the Montana St games. Now Montana St. is paying Mercyhurst (a transitioning D2) $250k to fill the schedule opening left by SFA this year. Ouch
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Post by Outsider on Jun 17, 2024 6:51:36 GMT -6
To clarify, SFA doesn't owe us a game home or otherwise. The two schools elected to maintain their "rivalry". Both teams had openings in the final week and didn[t want to pay somebody so they decided to to a football deal as well as a two year basketball deal. Win/Win. By the way, it cost SFA $120k to back out of the Montana St games. Now Montana St. is paying Mercyhurst (a transitioning D2) $250k to fill the schedule opening left by SFA this year. Ouch Agree to disagree. SFA left us stone cold without a home game. We had to scramble to rearrange games because we had no choice (because of them). Hence we had the opening to begin with. The opening wasn't by chance. The least SFA could have done was offered to come here to make up for stealing away the home game they took away. The "rivalry" angle is just ACU trying to sell the loss of the home game. Like was said, the rivalry is nice but we have better ones, so no, not win/win, more like loss/tie at best. As far as MSU goes, yes, Mercyhurst is transitioning, but it still counts as a DI game in the SOS AND it's a HOME game. They paid but they got the HOME game filled. SFA paid us money. We kinda expected us to use it.
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Post by mavsman53 on Jun 17, 2024 7:49:59 GMT -6
A few quick points.
Zack wanted to continue the games with SFA. If they did not want to play us, that would be their choice not ours. He believes us playing each other makes both teams better.
The day SFA announced they were officially going back to the Southland, there was an AD meeting for all WAC ADs. I cannot say this with a 100% certainty, but I am fairly confident the conference made us move games around. Why do I say that? The easiest move would have been for ACU and SFA to make their game a non-conference game and to make West Georgia a conference game. ACU and West Georgia were the only schools playing everyone in the WAC this year for football. The switch was on the table.
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Post by Outsider on Jun 17, 2024 7:59:43 GMT -6
A few quick points. Zack wanted to continue the games with SFA. If they did not want to play us, that would be their choice not ours. He believes us playing each other makes both teams better. The day SFA announced they were officially going back to the Southland, there was an AD meeting for all WAC ADs. I cannot say this with a 100% certainty, but I am fairly confident the conference made us move games around. Why do I say that? The easiest move would have been for ACU and SFA to make their game a non-conference game and to make West Georgia a conference game. ACU and West Georgia were the only schools playing everyone in the WAC this year for football. The switch was on the table. Thanks mavsman, then the WAC owes us a home game, but it still stems from SFA. Honestly, continuing a "rivalry" against a school that left us (and the rest of the conference) hanging doesn't bode well. This is a "don't let the door hit you on the way out" scenario.
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Post by wildkitten1489 on Jun 17, 2024 8:33:46 GMT -6
A few quick points. Zack wanted to continue the games with SFA. If they did not want to play us, that would be their choice not ours. He believes us playing each other makes both teams better. The day SFA announced they were officially going back to the Southland, there was an AD meeting for all WAC ADs. I cannot say this with a 100% certainty, but I am fairly confident the conference made us move games around. Why do I say that? The easiest move would have been for ACU and SFA to make their game a non-conference game and to make West Georgia a conference game. ACU and West Georgia were the only schools playing everyone in the WAC this year for football. The switch was on the table. Thanks mavsman, then the WAC owes us a home game, but it still stems from SFA. Honestly, continuing a "rivalry" against a school that left us (and the rest of the conference) hanging doesn't bode well. This is a "don't let the door hit you on the way out" scenario. Who cares?
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Post by Outsider on Jun 17, 2024 8:38:25 GMT -6
Thanks mavsman, then the WAC owes us a home game, but it still stems from SFA. Honestly, continuing a "rivalry" against a school that left us (and the rest of the conference) hanging doesn't bode well. This is a "don't let the door hit you on the way out" scenario. Who cares? You don't
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Post by Cap'n on Jun 17, 2024 12:09:52 GMT -6
While I appreciate Outsider's perspective, there are four other UAC teams plus Montana State who are out a home game thanks to SFA. So does SFA owe everybody a home game? No. They do owe the WAC $2 million. Don't know whether they have to pay anything to the UAC.
The UAC (not the WAC) rewrote the schedule post-SFA and their priority was to make sure the conference teams' schedules are fair and balanced. We have 4 home UAC games and 4 away. If you look at all the other conference teams, every team has 4 home and 4 away. The schedules include West Georgia even though they are ineligible for the conference championship.
Negotiating a home/home with SFA was a smart move. We have a schedule slot filled for 2 years with a D1 team without having to pay appearance money and travel costs are relatively low. Whether or not it saves a rivalry is an open question.
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Post by bogeyman on Jun 17, 2024 12:42:03 GMT -6
41 days till players officially report for fall practice. Any news from "voluntary" summer workouts?
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Post by Cap'n on Jun 17, 2024 12:52:39 GMT -6
41 days till players officially report for fall practice. Any news from "voluntary" summer workouts? I'm having lunch with a couple of players on Wednesday. I'll let you know what they say.
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Post by acutrackfan on Jun 17, 2024 13:08:08 GMT -6
While I appreciate Outsider's perspective, there are four other UAC teams plus Montana State who are out a home game thanks to SFA. So does SFA owe everybody a home game? No. They do owe the WAC $2 million. Don't know whether they have to pay anything to the UAC. The UAC (not the WAC) rewrote the schedule post-SFA and their priority was to make sure the conference teams' schedules are fair and balanced. We have 4 home UAC games and 4 away. If you look at all the other conference teams, every team has 4 home and 4 away. The schedules include West Georgia even though they are ineligible for the conference championship. Negotiating a home/home with SFA was a smart move. We have a schedule slot filled for 2 years with a D1 team without having to pay appearance money and travel costs are relatively low. Whether or not it saves a rivalry is an open question. Good thoughts throughout, Cap'n. Am I miffed with SFA about this move? Of course. But, that is mainly because I hate to see another school from Texas leaving the WAC. But, for the short term, it is much better to have a D1 school from Texas willing to play a home-and-home in both football and basketball.
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Post by bogeyman on Jun 19, 2024 13:16:25 GMT -6
41 days till players officially report for fall practice. Any news from "voluntary" summer workouts? I'm having lunch with a couple of players on Wednesday. I'll let you know what they say. Don't make us wait.
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