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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Jul 1, 2022 20:44:09 GMT -6
Howerton, Tate, Ty Smith and Hatten are all talented and big. Surely one or more of them will break out.
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Post by bogeyman on Jul 27, 2022 8:04:38 GMT -6
I'm thinking an OL with Moore, Ghirmai, Sakiri, Pullen and Thielan might be very good. With Smith, Andrews, Tate, Howerton in the mix too. Who do you think will start vs Lamar?
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 27, 2022 12:22:49 GMT -6
I'm thinking an OL with Moore, Ghirmai, Sakiri, Pullen and Thielan might be very good. With Smith, Andrews, Tate, Howerton in the mix too. Who do you think will start vs Lamar? Something like LT- Moore LG- Thielan C- Ghirmari (Mavsman said he was a center at UT) Pullen and one of the other guys you mention in the right side.
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Post by bogeyman on Jul 27, 2022 12:47:01 GMT -6
If Ghirmai plays center, then a new guy plays left guard alongside Moore. I was thinking Thielen played right tackle/guard last year, so why change him to left side. I'm thinking Pullen at right guard alongside Thielen and Sakiri or maybe Ty Smith on the right side with Moore. If Girty played center in the spring he may be ahead of the curve at that position but having a 320lb Ghirmai there would be a positive move, methinks. Again, I'm not sure where all OL will play. Wildcat 0075 says they are interchangeable, if so then lots of combos are possible. I'm confident coach Pugh will put our strongest bunch on the field. I really feel good about this position going into the season.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 27, 2022 13:15:53 GMT -6
If Ghirmai plays center, then a new guy plays left guard alongside Moore. I was thinking Thielen played right tackle/guard last year, so why change him to left side. I'm thinking Pullen at right guard alongside Thielen and Sakiri or maybe Ty Smith on the right side with Moore. If Girty played center in the spring he may be ahead of the curve at that position but having a 320lb Ghirmai there would be a positive move, methinks. Again, I'm not sure where all OL will play. Wildcat 0075 says they are interchangeable, if so then lots of combos are possible. I'm confident coach Pugh will put our strongest bunch on the field. I really feel good about this position going into the season. You are probably right about Thielen playing on the right side last year. I was so focused on dr’s appts, tests, surgeries, & chemo treatments that last year is kind of a blur.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Aug 1, 2022 11:35:34 GMT -6
Jax Andrews is out for the season, per his mom. He got playing time last year as a freshman and I thought he might work his way into a regular rotation this year.
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Post by bogeyman on Aug 1, 2022 13:04:13 GMT -6
Injury? I also thought he'd be in the mix this year.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Aug 1, 2022 13:09:08 GMT -6
Injury? I also thought he'd be in the mix this year. He tore his ACL during spring practice and had surgery 3 months ago. I thought the same about where he would fit this year.
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Post by acutrackfan on Aug 1, 2022 13:42:00 GMT -6
Bummer -- I liked his chances of making the rotation.
In a perfect world, how many solid players do we need in the rotation? It has been my dream that we end up 10 or even 11-12 players who have the coaches have enough confidence in to put on the field in prime-time. It always seems that we go into the season with have 10 players in the "rotation" and we always end up with 8-9 max. Can we reach 10 (or more) this year?
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Post by Outsider on Aug 1, 2022 19:26:03 GMT -6
Bummer -- I liked his chances of making the rotation. In a perfect world, how many solid players do we need in the rotation? It has been my dream that we end up 10 or even 11-12 players who have the coaches have enough confidence in to put on the field in prime-time. It always seems that we go into the season with have 10 players in the "rotation" and we always end up with 8-9 max. Can we reach 10 (or more) this year? I was really wanting to see him progress this year. I hope we maintain better depth.
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Post by wildcats0075 on Aug 2, 2022 10:04:17 GMT -6
Bummer -- I liked his chances of making the rotation. In a perfect world, how many solid players do we need in the rotation? It has been my dream that we end up 10 or even 11-12 players who have the coaches have enough confidence in to put on the field in prime-time. It always seems that we go into the season with have 10 players in the "rotation" and we always end up with 8-9 max. Can we reach 10 (or more) this year? It was usually my experience that using 8 or 9 is almost by design more so than availability of players.
I certainly don't know this regime's preferences, but what I typically saw is that even thought there may be a back up left guard and back up right guard on the depth chart, that is not how coach would play it. Typically, I see it as coach has a 3rd guard who he trust and which ever starter goes out, the 3rd guard fills in. If the 3rd guard is used to left and the right guard is hurt, the starting left guard will move to right and the 3rd will play their usually left spot. Similar thing for tackles. Center usually does get his own backup as that is so specialized you can't just slide down from guard to center.
If there is a primary guard and tackle back up and one Center back up, there is usually 5 starters and 3 back ups that really get most of the playing time. If there are a bunch of injuries or garbage time others may get in the game but if things are working well, I usually see an 8 man rotation.
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Post by acutrackfan on Aug 2, 2022 15:16:15 GMT -6
Bummer -- I liked his chances of making the rotation. In a perfect world, how many solid players do we need in the rotation? It has been my dream that we end up 10 or even 11-12 players who have the coaches have enough confidence in to put on the field in prime-time. It always seems that we go into the season with have 10 players in the "rotation" and we always end up with 8-9 max. Can we reach 10 (or more) this year? It was usually my experience that using 8 or 9 is almost by design more so than availability of players.
I certainly don't know this regime's preferences, but what I typically saw is that even thought there may be a back up left guard and back up right guard on the depth chart, that is not how coach would play it. Typically, I see it as coach has a 3rd guard who he trust and which ever starter goes out, the 3rd guard fills in. If the 3rd guard is used to left and the right guard is hurt, the starting left guard will move to right and the 3rd will play their usually left spot. Similar thing for tackles. Center usually does get his own backup as that is so specialized you can't just slide down from guard to center.
If there is a primary guard and tackle back up and one Center back up, there is usually 5 starters and 3 back ups that really get most of the playing time. If there are a bunch of injuries or garbage time others may get in the game but if things are working well, I usually see an 8 man rotation. 75, I know you are correct here. Yours is the viewpoint of someone who has battled in the arena for ACU -- my viewpoint is that of a fan who never played HS football, much less college ball (3 year HS letterman in swimming probably does not prepare me for being an valid football analyst - HA). I always want to have a nice clean depth chart that looks good on paper and that is not the reality of college football. I have always wondered if the 7-8 man rotation at ACU was partially a product of having 36 scholarships to distribute as a D-2 school. Were there only 7-8 linemen at any given time who could compete at the D-2 level. I remember ACU had one season when we had a 5 man rotation -- all five men played almost every down. There was a 6th o-lineman that year who played in 2-3 games when there were some injuries. I always wondered if having 63 scholarships to distribute can give ACU the number of reliable players to warrant a 10-11 man rotation. I do notice that schools like Sam Houston tend to have 12-14 o-linemen who get regular playing time, but some of those may simply get to play because they get ahead so quickly in most games that they can play a lot more players.
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Post by wildcats0075 on Aug 2, 2022 17:13:10 GMT -6
It was usually my experience that using 8 or 9 is almost by design more so than availability of players.
I certainly don't know this regime's preferences, but what I typically saw is that even thought there may be a back up left guard and back up right guard on the depth chart, that is not how coach would play it. Typically, I see it as coach has a 3rd guard who he trust and which ever starter goes out, the 3rd guard fills in. If the 3rd guard is used to left and the right guard is hurt, the starting left guard will move to right and the 3rd will play their usually left spot. Similar thing for tackles. Center usually does get his own backup as that is so specialized you can't just slide down from guard to center.
If there is a primary guard and tackle back up and one Center back up, there is usually 5 starters and 3 back ups that really get most of the playing time. If there are a bunch of injuries or garbage time others may get in the game but if things are working well, I usually see an 8 man rotation. 75, I know you are correct here. Yours is the viewpoint of someone who has battled in the arena for ACU -- my viewpoint is that of a fan who never played HS football, much less college ball (3 year HS letterman in swimming probably does not prepare me for being an valid football analyst - HA). I always want to have a nice clean depth chart that looks good on paper and that is not the reality of college football. I have always wondered if the 7-8 man rotation at ACU was partially a product of having 36 scholarships to distribute as a D-2 school. Were there only 7-8 linemen at any given time who could compete at the D-2 level. I remember ACU had one season when we had a 5 man rotation -- all five men played almost every down. There was a 6th o-lineman that year who played in 2-3 games when there were some injuries. I always wondered if having 63 scholarships to distribute can give ACU the number of reliable players to warrant a 10-11 man rotation. I do notice that schools like Sam Houston tend to have 12-14 o-linemen who get regular playing time, but some of those may simply get to play because they get ahead so quickly in most games that they can play a lot more players. Valid points for sure. Maybe with more scholarships, there is more opportunity to have more guys you can depend on.
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Post by bogeyman on Aug 3, 2022 8:36:37 GMT -6
Not sure if the numbers the guys are wearing in practice match roster numbers but if they do it looks like Femi Sakiri is playing center in one of the video clips put on twitter.
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Post by mavsman53 on Aug 3, 2022 9:19:44 GMT -6
Some players are wearing the correct numbers and some aren't.
I stood at the top of the ramp last night and watched just a few plays. Mansell had 2 excellent throws on back to back plays and both were easy touchdowns. I would have stayed longer, but I was in the middle of a workout. If I waited around too long, I would have just quit, which actually sounded like the right decision
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