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Post by Outsider on Feb 29, 2020 18:20:51 GMT -6
You can make up all the scenarios you want about winning championships but the facts usually end with North Dakota State until someone builds a program to match them. That's what we are trying to do and we are football cash poor. Bring on the money games until we are on equal footing with the big dog in FCS. Fact, you don't build a program that matches NDSU scheduling unwinnable FBS money games. You build a program that matches, and beats, NDSU by playing, learning from and beating as many FCS programs as you can and then set yourself up to match up with anyone of them at any given time. So, this is also more than beating bubble teams into playoffs. You become the big dog by playing and beating everyone.....
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Post by bogeyman on Feb 29, 2020 19:47:25 GMT -6
Is that a fact? I laugh at most of your attempts to enlighten us (me). Can you hear me now? Oscar gave his opinion that it would be good to have a home and home with Tarleton. So be it. I disagree (not strongly) because I think we need better games and at present we are strapped monetarily. We're not likely to get in the black except by playing some money games. Having money will help us in lots of ways to build a quality program (maybe not the only way). It helps retain quality coaches, it helps with publicity, it helps with recruiting, it helps with equipment, it helps with facilities, it helps with support personnel, it helps with Sports Information Departments, et al. It even helps with fund raising. Not sure how winning games vs. Tarleton will do that but you guys share that with he AD (who of course will do what he wants to do anyway). Do you really believe we help our program grow by beating HBU (a FCS program) more than by going to and playing a Baylor or Mississippi State? Every year we play a FBS program, and experience that kind of environment I believe we learn better how to play big games and we get one step closer to being competitive in those games and in big time FCS games (opinion not fact, I know the difference). You don't. Bully for you. But don't try to make fun of my facts on who was in the play offs for the past 3 years with your opinion of what it takes to build a program.
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Post by Outsider on Feb 29, 2020 22:06:38 GMT -6
Is that a fact? I laugh at most of your attempts to enlighten us (me). Can you hear me now? Oscar gave his opinion that it would be good to have a home and home with Tarleton. So be it. I disagree (not strongly) because I think we need better games and at present we are strapped monetarily. We're not likely to get in the black except by playing some money games. Having money will help us in lots of ways to build a quality program (maybe not the only way). It helps retain quality coaches, it helps with publicity, it helps with recruiting, it helps with equipment, it helps with facilities, it helps with support personnel, it helps with Sports Information Departments, et al. It even helps with fund raising. Not sure how winning games vs. Tarleton will do that but you guys share that with he AD (who of course will do what he wants to do anyway). Do you really believe we help our program grow by beating HBU (a FCS program) more than by going to and playing a Baylor or Mississippi State? Every year we play a FBS program, and experience that kind of environment I believe we learn better how to play big games and we get one step closer to being competitive in those games and in big time FCS games (opinion not fact, I know the difference). You don't. Bully for you. But don't try to make fun of my facts on who was in the play offs for the past 3 years with your opinion of what it takes to build a program. Bully for you Bogey
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Post by bucfan on Feb 29, 2020 22:50:25 GMT -6
This thread is starting to sound like the current political climate with everyone having their own "facts". Not sure who is MSNBC and who is Fox though. :-)
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Post by wildcatter on Mar 1, 2020 9:41:28 GMT -6
You guys act like we are a lock to beat Tarleton.
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Post by bucfan on Mar 1, 2020 14:26:29 GMT -6
You guys act like we are a lock to beat Tarleton. My fear of Tarleton moving up to D1 is that they will steal some of the guys from the DFW area that we might want. I've kind of enjoyed being the only FCS school in the area.
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Post by jaminthebody on Mar 1, 2020 14:48:37 GMT -6
You guys act like we are a lock to beat Tarleton. My fear of Tarleton moving up to D1 is that they will steal some of the guys from the DFW area that we might want. I've kind of enjoyed being the only FCS school in the area. I have felt for a long time that the type of Stduent-athlete we recruit is different than the type Tarleton recruits. The same is true with the general student population.
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Mar 1, 2020 15:02:37 GMT -6
Unlike stduent athletes at Tarketon, ours can spell.
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Post by Gocats! on Mar 1, 2020 15:46:05 GMT -6
Unlike stduent athletes at Tarketon, ours can spell. Tarketon might bring in good recurits.
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Post by Outsider on Mar 1, 2020 16:37:51 GMT -6
My fear of Tarleton moving up to D1 is that they will steal some of the guys from the DFW area that we might want. I've kind of enjoyed being the only FCS school in the area. I have felt for a long time that the type of Stduent-athlete we recruit is different than the type Tarleton recruits. The same is true with the general student population. I think you're right, but it would also be reasonable to assume we would be after some of the same recruits. It already happens with us and other SLC schools. Tarleton will start off as the small fish like us, but who knows where they go with it. They could flop or succeed. Either way, I think it will be interesting to watch.
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Mar 1, 2020 17:51:38 GMT -6
Turtleton is already going D1 so we will be recruiting against them anyway. But I’m with Jaminthebody, we will be recruiting differently. I expect the Texans to recruit more like SFA than ACU and bring in some high risk players. In fact, they might hurt the Jacks recruiting more than ours.
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Post by Outsider on Mar 1, 2020 19:02:43 GMT -6
You could be right Tude.
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Post by mavsman53 on Mar 2, 2020 11:34:14 GMT -6
One thing that I think would be interesting, and maybe I/or someone else will have time to research this, is how many teams MISSED the playoffs that had 4 or 5 losses. My guess, and it is just a guess, is that it is more than those who made it.
I'm not trying to argue one way or another, as I see the pros and cons of only playing 1 FBS school versus 2.
Back to Tarleton St, I saw a national reporter say he think Tarleton will do great as a D1 school. The main reason- they are the closest non-FBS D1 school to the DFW area.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Mar 2, 2020 12:21:44 GMT -6
One thing that I think would be interesting, and maybe I/or someone else will have time to research this, is how many teams MISSED the playoffs that had 4 or 5 losses. My guess, and it is just a guess, is that it is more than those who made it. I'm not trying to argue one way or another, as I see the pros and cons of only playing 1 FBS school versus 2. Back to Tarleton St, I saw a national reporter say he think Tarleton will do great as a D1 school. The main reason- they are the closest non-FBS D1 school to the DFW area. I counted 15 teams with 5 or fewer losses that didn’t make the playoffs, excluding the Ivy League and the HBCU’s that don’t participate in the playoffs, Sam Houston and McNeese both had five losses and stayed at home last year, as did perineal power Eastern Washington.
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Mar 2, 2020 13:42:04 GMT -6
One thing that I think would be interesting, and maybe I/or someone else will have time to research this, is how many teams MISSED the playoffs that had 4 or 5 losses. My guess, and it is just a guess, is that it is more than those who made it. I'm not trying to argue one way or another, as I see the pros and cons of only playing 1 FBS school versus 2. Back to Tarleton St, I saw a national reporter say he think Tarleton will do great as a D1 school. The main reason- they are the closest non-FBS D1 school to the DFW area. I counted 15 teams with 5 or fewer losses that didn’t make the playoffs, excluding the Ivy League and the HBCU’s that don’t participate in the playoffs, Sam Houston and McNeese both had five losses and stayed at home last year, as did perineal power Eastern Washington. Do you think last year was skewed because of the 12 game schedule? Some teams - like ACU - scheduled an extra loss.
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