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Post by rc on Jul 26, 2021 19:43:56 GMT -6
Yep, those were in the same chorus.
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Post by buckeyecat on Jul 26, 2021 22:11:22 GMT -6
As we speculated, according to Bleacher Report, the BIG is not interested in expansion unless the school is an AAU member. The only possible exception is Notre Dame.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 27, 2021 4:53:02 GMT -6
I guess it is official now. The University of Oklahoma and the University of Texas released a joint statement Monday that’s seen as the schools’ first official step toward leaving the Big 12 Conference and joining the Southeastern Conference. N.B. Reports from other university presidents who participated in the recent meeting with OU and UT are that the meeting was cordial and constructive. Who knows what that means. The Big 12 has an unsolvable problem. It cannot offer UT and OU more than other members, and there are no comparable schools that could replace the two that would depart. I fear the move to the SEC will cause a domino effect across the other power conferences and something entirely new lies ahead for college athletics. Which schools can conferences add that are huge boosts? Notre Dame is a prize but the BYUs are not going to bring the clout of the big boys. It isn’t too far fetched to imagine the ACC, PAC and the Big 12 left overs merging with the BIG and and SEC to form two super conferences that break away from the NCAA and do their own thing.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 27, 2021 5:04:13 GMT -6
As we speculated, according to Bleacher Report, the BIG is not interested in expansion unless the school is an AAU member. The only possible exception is Notre Dame. The SEC is rumored to have spoken with Clemson and FSU. The Big 10 could counter by poaching several of the AAU members from the ACC- Virginia, Pitt, UNC, Duke, or GA Tech. It’s boggles the mind to contemplate the possible near term shifts in the college athletics landscape.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 27, 2021 6:19:39 GMT -6
On a lighter side, has anyone maybe considered that UT’s maneuvering is because they want to get away from Baylor and TCU who have done considerably better than them over the last ten years? I do feel for both institutions who have put all of this effort in building their programs into national relevance to only be consigned to purgatory. Or, Texas came to the realization that its “little brother” Texas A&M was winning the recruiting war for prime blue chip players from Texas. Because SEC. if you can’t beat em…. I’m not sure Baylor and TCU will remain in a P5 conference when the dust settles. I, too, feel for em.
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Post by acutrackfan on Jul 27, 2021 8:03:33 GMT -6
I am particularly interested in how this plays out in the non-revenue sports -- everything but football and men's basketball. Does the NCAA sequester the top-64 into its own division in football, but leave all the other sports intact. If those same top-64 end up splitting away from the NCAA altogether where does that leave every other sport? Almost every FCS program is dependent on getting money games in both football and basketball to balance budgets. Where does that leave ACU and all the other FCS schools dependent on that money trickling down for the P-5 schools?
I know that there has been a lot of maligning of both Texas Tech and Oklahoma State on this board and other boards about their academics. However, there are only 131 Carnegie Tier 1 (R1) institutions in the U.S. and both Tech and OU have reached that level. Some of the R1 institutions in Texas are not very "sexy" schools names -- UTA and UT-Dallas (D-III school), but they are R1 institutions. Neither Baylor or TCU are R1 and that may hurt them in landing a place in the few slots that appear to be available.
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Post by bucfan on Jul 27, 2021 8:20:43 GMT -6
Sad but true. Although TCU hasn't really emphasized the C part of their name for many years.
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 27, 2021 8:26:11 GMT -6
Sad but true. Although TCU hasn't really emphasized the C part of their name for many years. Apart from their Divinity school TCU operates as a private secular university.
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Post by buckeyecat on Jul 27, 2021 10:21:45 GMT -6
Bucfan, If so, I smell a leadership niche and opportunity waiting for us to fill! They too were founded by church with a Restoration Movement heritage.
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Post by bucfan on Jul 27, 2021 10:34:09 GMT -6
I know TCU's history very well. Addison and Randolph Clark were the founders of AddRan Male and Female College which evolved into TCU. I'm related to Addison and Randolph on my mom's side. Not sure they would be thrilled with what TCU has become but you never know. The founders of Childers Classical Institute probably never dreamed what their little school would become! And I mean that in a good way. ACU has to have far exceeded the wildest dreams of her earliest founders. Some of our more conservative alumni would probably say that ACU has moved too far away from its CofC heritage but I think we have done a good job of remaining a university with a strong Christian foundation while also competing with the best academically.
Sorry for hijacking the UT/OU thread with a TCU history tangent.
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Post by acumedic on Jul 27, 2021 11:03:30 GMT -6
I know TCU's history very well. Addison and Randolph Clark were the founders of AddRan Male and Female College which evolved into TCU. I'm related to Addison and Randolph on my mom's side. Not sure they would be thrilled with what TCU has become but you never know. The founders of Childers Classical Institute probably never dreamed what their little school would become! And I mean that in a good way. ACU has to have far exceeded the wildest dreams of her earliest founders. Some of our more conservative alumni would probably say that ACU has moved too far away from its CofC heritage but I think we have done a good job of remaining a university with a strong Christian foundation while also competing with the best academically. Sorry for hijacking the UT/OU thread with a TCU history tangent. Every time I drive thru Thorp Spring I make sure and point out that TCU started there.
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Post by acutrackfan on Jul 27, 2021 11:11:28 GMT -6
Buc, that is cool that you are related to the Clarks! After the Clarks were "asked" to leave the campus in Thorp Springs, a college still operated on the campus for a few more decades under the name Thorp Springs Christian College. The great Don Morris was an alum of TSCC. My Grandfather taught "business" courses at TSCC from 1923-25 and the school managed to stay open until 1930ish. The remaining furniture from the TSCC was donated to a new college that was starting on the campus of a military school that had gone out of business. That new college was Southwestern Christian College in Terrell. I was on the campus back in the late 1970's and they showed me teacher's desks and chairs that dated back to TSCC.
In the 1940's-1950's, my grandparents ran a church camp on the old TSCC campus called Camp Klebit, until they bought land on the newly impounded Lake Brownwood and opened a camp there called Camp Verano. I have walked every inch of the old TSCC and even have some bricks from the last building that was standing.
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Post by ybp80 on Jul 27, 2021 22:54:26 GMT -6
I know TCU's history very well. Addison and Randolph Clark were the founders of AddRan Male and Female College which evolved into TCU. I'm related to Addison and Randolph on my mom's side. Not sure they would be thrilled with what TCU has become but you never know. The founders of Childers Classical Institute probably never dreamed what their little school would become! And I mean that in a good way. ACU has to have far exceeded the wildest dreams of her earliest founders. Some of our more conservative alumni would probably say that ACU has moved too far away from its CofC heritage but I think we have done a good job of remaining a university with a strong Christian foundation while also competing with the best academically. Sorry for hijacking the UT/OU thread with a TCU history tangent. I share the same last name as Lucas Brite. He would be my great great uncle. I was once showing my sons around the Divinity School when the secretary asked if we needed help. I told her our last name was also Brite and within 5 minutes we had been escorted to the office of the head of the school. (Not sure of the correct title.). The most interesting thing we learned there is that Brite Divinity School owns it’s own property and, although affiliated with TCU, it is it’s own entity. (If I remember correctly.)
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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Jul 29, 2021 7:35:01 GMT -6
There’s a pretty good realignment jokes thread on another site. I like this one
Ten seconds left in the game…
Longhorns on the 28 yard line
Texas QB Chad McCoy drops back
Looks for a receiver
Star WR Mike Williams is open deep
He launches it
It’s caught!!!
Touchdown Texas!!!
Alabama 56, Texas 10
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Post by buckeyecat on Jul 29, 2021 10:08:09 GMT -6
Looking at the media, as we all know, this move was for 1) money for both Texas and Oklahoma, 2) Texas has been getting beat soundly in the recruiting wars by Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and (horror of horrors) A&M. Maybe even lowly, in their eyes, Baylor. In the State of Texas, one of the flagship universities is the 7th place recruiter for in state high school talent. For them, the status quo was untenable.
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