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Post by OscarWildeCat, Admin on Nov 26, 2020 6:46:26 GMT -6
And if my son was 21 I would let him make his own decisions about his basketball future. This isn’t high school or AAU where the loudest parent gets his way. I’ve coached summer teams from TBall through 15U. The loud parent who believes their kid should get more playing time is a universal phenomenon.
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Post by acutrackfan on Nov 26, 2020 6:56:55 GMT -6
I sure would like to see more of Clay. There is some old precedence for an all pro NBA player that did not start all the time but came off the bench for the Boston Celtics, very famous, but I cannot remember his name. RC is referring to the great John Havlicek -- who was a 13-time NBA all-star and is in the Hall of Fame and for much of his career he was not a starter for the Celtics. In fact, there is now a 6th-man award in the NBA because Havlicek demostrated the wisdom of having a dominant player off the bench. Ledoux, there is no one on this board who has ever badmouthed Clay. He is a very popular player on this board. Last year, he got the chance to play more extensively and he responded well to that playing time. Your comment that "he was treated like a dog" last year is just weird. I am sorry that you feel that way, but Oscar makes a good point that Clay will still get substantial minutes that equals or exceeds any other front-line player. I expect to see Clay start a fair amount of games this year too when the matchups dictate it.
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Post by WildCatToothDoc on Nov 26, 2020 7:29:26 GMT -6
I sure would like to see more of Clay. There is some old precedence for an all pro NBA player that did not start all the time but came off the bench for the Boston Celtics, very famous, but I cannot remember his name. Pretty sure you are talking about John Havlicek for the Celtics. Havlicek was my favorite. When he entered the game it just changed the tempo for the best.. I couldn't wait for him to come off the bench and always wondered why he wasn't a starter. ( I do believe he did eventually start). He was a Beast and Clay is the same. I'd like to see Clay more also. Clay adds so much to this team. To me he is ACU's John Havlicek. Get him in the game and keep him there! Edit... Under new coach Tom Heinsohn, Havlicek became a starter and the hub of Boston's offense. He had a sensational year, accomplishing the rare feat of leading his team in three categories: scoring (24.2), rebounding (7.8), and assists (6.8). He ranked eighth in the league in scoring and seventh in assists.
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Post by rc on Nov 26, 2020 9:55:04 GMT -6
Great follow up answers -- It was Havlicek. And he was like a spark plug that ignited the Celtics. Thanks guys!
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Post by PurpleHaze on Nov 26, 2020 10:05:24 GMT -6
Clay was the most talented all around player on last years team and was treated like a dog. He’s heads and shoulders above anyone on this years roster for certain. Name me one time a team’s best player has ever came off the bench and played under half the game. He’s being held back and it’s a crying shame. I watched him in AAU destroy kids with multiple high major offers tournament after tournament.I am extremely happy Clay chose ACU and assume most here are as well. As for basketball acumen, you are probably correct when you say we do not compare to the parent of a D1 player who has invested so much time in the sport with their child. That might make it easier for us to step back and be objective as well. I can't speak for the relationship aspect between JG and his players other than what I see during games so I'll defer to you on that. Objectively, here's what I've observed in Clay since his arrival - he has raised his game each season, both on offense and defense, and that gets me excited. I can't say that about everybody on the team. He seems like a great young man from what I've observed from afar. He's become a go-to guy who has shown he can hit clutch shots. Going into this season I told some family members and friends that I think this will be a break-out year for him. I really believe that. As others have said, the playing time will come so please be patient. Glad you shared with us.
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Post by Cap'n Cattitude on Nov 26, 2020 11:47:20 GMT -6
One of the hallmarks of Golding’s teams is that he plays a lot people. I’ve seen teams wither under our defense in the 2nd half while the Cats still have their legs and energy. In fact, it happened yesterday. I noticed that the three bigs played 17, 19, and 20 minutes so Clay got his fair share in a blowout considering that there are 3 games in 4 days.
I remember that Clay moved into the starting lineup last year and Kohl came off the bench. It was very, very effective and I could see it this year. I agree with Papa Gayman, Clay is going to be all conference this year. But this is also a tournament team and everybody has to play his role to get where they want to be at the end of the year.
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Post by rc on Nov 26, 2020 14:42:21 GMT -6
I sure would like to see more of Clay. There is some old precedence for an all pro NBA player that did not start all the time but came off the bench for the Boston Celtics, very famous, but I cannot remember his name. Pretty sure you are talking about John Havlicek for the Celtics. Havlicek was my favorite. When he entered the game it just changed the tempo for the best.. I couldn't wait for him to come off the bench and always wondered why he wasn't a starter. ( I do believe he did eventually start). He was a Beast and Clay is the same. I'd like to see Clay more also. Clay adds so much to this team. To me he is ACU's John Havlicek. Get him in the game and keep him there! Edit... Under new coach Tom Heinsohn, Havlicek became a starter and the hub of Boston's offense. He had a sensational year, accomplishing the rare feat of leading his team in three categories: scoring (24.2), rebounding (7.8), and assists (6.8). He ranked eighth in the league in scoring and seventh in assists. Also in reference to acutrackman's help with Havlicek... A story from the 60s. We thought we had a top notch AAU summer team and were going to a major event in which we drew the Houston YMCA team. Little did we know the old NBA trained a lot of their players at the Houston Y and some much younger college talent had practiced with them -- we did not know their names... but hey, we had three ex-all Southwest Conference Players on our team so we were confident. Well the guy guarding me was Don Cheney whom I had never heard of. He later was named at least five times to the NBA all defensive team and was 6'5" and moved like a rocket. The first 5 times down the floor, he stole the ball from me 5 times -- I had never seen such long and quick arms and hands and never seen someone swipe the ball off the dribble as the ball hit the floor. He, too, later coached the Celtics. The good news in a crushing defeat was holding a young Elvin Hayes to only 44 points. We knew he wanted 50 but he was denied as we were slaughtered. A boring story, I know, but remembering Havlicek brought back memories of another future Celtic star.
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Post by WildCatToothDoc on Nov 26, 2020 18:15:44 GMT -6
Pretty sure you are talking about John Havlicek for the Celtics. Havlicek was my favorite. When he entered the game it just changed the tempo for the best.. I couldn't wait for him to come off the bench and always wondered why he wasn't a starter. ( I do believe he did eventually start). He was a Beast and Clay is the same. I'd like to see Clay more also. Clay adds so much to this team. To me he is ACU's John Havlicek. Get him in the game and keep him there! Edit... Under new coach Tom Heinsohn, Havlicek became a starter and the hub of Boston's offense. He had a sensational year, accomplishing the rare feat of leading his team in three categories: scoring (24.2), rebounding (7.8), and assists (6.8). He ranked eighth in the league in scoring and seventh in assists. Also in reference to acutrackman's help with Havlicek... A story from the 60s. We thought we had a top notch AAU summer team and were going to a major event in which we drew the Houston YMCA team. Little did we know the old NBA trained a lot of their players at the Houston Y and some much younger college talent had practiced with them -- we did not know their names... but hey, we had three ex-all Southwest Conference Players on our team so we were confident. Well the guy guarding me was Don Cheney whom I had never heard of. He later was named at least five times to the NBA all defensive team and was 6'5" and moved like a rocket. The first 5 times down the floor, he stole the ball from me 5 times -- I had never seen such long and quick arms and hands and never seen someone swipe the ball off the dribble as the ball hit the floor. He, too, later coached the Celtics. The good news in a crushing defeat was holding a young Elvin Hayes to only 44 points. We knew he wanted 50 but he was denied as we were slaughtered. A boring story, I know, but remembering Havlicek brought back memories of another future Celtic star. Good story, nothing boring about it!
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Post by SportsWizard15 on Nov 27, 2020 16:02:27 GMT -6
Someone tweeted and quickly deleted it but said if SFA thinks they have the Southland Championship in the bag, ACU is about to kick in the door with a shotgun and steal it this year right under their noses
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Post by Outsider on Nov 27, 2020 16:11:54 GMT -6
Someone tweeted and quickly deleted it but said if SFA thinks they have the Southland Championship in the bag, ACU is about to kick in the door with a shotgun and steal it this year right under their noses It's a nice thought but we have a long way to go in this season. I am just glad we are starting well.
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Post by SportsWizard15 on Nov 27, 2020 16:14:31 GMT -6
Someone tweeted and quickly deleted it but said if SFA thinks they have the Southland Championship in the bag, ACU is about to kick in the door with a shotgun and steal it this year right under their noses It's a nice thought but we have a long way to go in this season. I am just glad we are starting well. I know it’s a long season but it’s nice to see people start looking and appreciating how Golding is putting us on the map and the respect we’re getting as a mid major
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Post by Outsider on Nov 27, 2020 16:21:45 GMT -6
It's a nice thought but we have a long way to go in this season. I am just glad we are starting well. I know it’s a long season but it’s nice to see people start looking and appreciating how Golding is putting us on the map and the respect we’re getting as a mid major It's nice to see Joe's persistence and hard work begin to pay off
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Post by bogeyman on Nov 27, 2020 16:41:42 GMT -6
Define begin. Joe's persistence began paying off about 6 years ago with the maturation of Lewis, Franklin, Farquhar, Howell, Lenox and others. 3 years ago he added Gayman, Pleasant and Daniels. 2 years ago he added Miller, Morris, and Allen. Last year he added Steele, McLaughlin, Richardson and Brooks. Today was not the beginning but a continuation of what began a decade ago. A SLC conference tourney championship and an NCAA appearance validated his "persistence" two years ago. And I believe--you ain't seen nothin' yet.
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Post by Outsider on Nov 27, 2020 18:24:49 GMT -6
Define begin. Joe's persistence began paying off about 6 years ago with the maturation of Lewis, Franklin, Farquhar, Howell, Lenox and others. 3 years ago he added Gayman, Pleasant and Daniels. 2 years ago he added Miller, Morris, and Allen. Last year he added Steele, McLaughlin, Richardson and Brooks. Today was not the beginning but a continuation of what began a decade ago. A SLC conference tourney championship and an NCAA appearance validated his "persistence" two years ago. And I believe--you ain't seen nothin' yet. Thanks Bogey, I didn't mean this second now that you brought it up like that.
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Post by PurpleHaze on Nov 28, 2020 9:22:48 GMT -6
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